![]() O'DONNELL: Well, the direct request came. Harvey Freeman, who was his attorney, at the time. O'DONNELL: Very specifically, three people were involved in - in asking me to redo the numbers. So I know the numbers don't have to equal each other. and - and - and I actually went through, you know, a situation where I was asked to, literally, build false financials for my business. The numbers can mean something different. ![]() Okay? And they don't, necessarily, have to look the same. There's cash and then, there's what's on a piece of paper. Everything centers around money with Donald and the organization. O'DONNELL: Well, it's all about money with Donald. As a witness, what did you see about the way they deal with money that, either, matches or departs from the central allegations here, which we have been reporting on? That include, what Cohen said about inflation, and - and documented or repeat-tax evasion? Let's get - let's imagine you are in the jury box and really get into it, sir. The behavior has been going on for decades and in my position, I would say, about time. But that, there is now an impaneled criminal grand jury, were you surprised? Or did that seem long overdue? When you heard this news, that apparently has shaken up Trump world that this is not just another review or another audit. MELBER: And my last, quick question, and then, we'll get into it. O'DONNELL: Clearly, in New Jersey, the regulatory process was key and all numbers were going to be reviewed by the division and the commission in New Jersey, for sure. MELBER: Did you have a sense that Allen and Allen, on behalf of Donald Trump, at that time, or at any other, later time you are aware of, were cognizant of the idea that regulators or even criminal investigators would later be reviewing what they were doing? The claims they were making about money? O'DONNELL: All numbers pass through Allen, regardless of what entity you were associated with. ![]() Did you have a sense of his reputation and role within the company, when you were doing your work in Atlantic City? ![]()
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